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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 8:52:39 GMT -5
Looks like it is up to MoonCow to start a thread. Who woulda thunk it would come to this?
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 8:54:46 GMT -5
Welcome MoonCow! Great to see you here!
Sorry, I think people were a bit slow on the thread starting today because of all the market action!
Recognition day anyone?
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Post by platy on Jul 10, 2014 8:56:05 GMT -5
Nice to see you here MoonCow!
This breakout by gold was pretty important IMO. 1333.5 should now be support.
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 8:58:10 GMT -5
Nice to see you here MoonCow! This breakout by gold was pretty important IMO. 1333.5 should now be support. Right on your turning date too. Nice call!
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 9:07:23 GMT -5
Simonsays, thanks for the welcome. I've noticed your posts here seem more relaxed, for some inexplicable reason Market action? Oh, that, yes, some fireworks going off. Poor Cedric is limited to only one smiley ... I think it will send him crazy. Nice to see you platy! You're a very cute platypus My short term strategies that I needed during the bear are now getting me out just as the dip gets bought, reducing profits, so I am trying to adjust to what looks like a c-wave (I think, it's been a long time!).
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 9:13:25 GMT -5
Yes, I prefer posting here - less conflict.
I agree about mindset. It takes effort to shift gears with precious metals after the last couple of years. I am also hoping to get short equities at some point too but still not confident with that yet.
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 9:18:44 GMT -5
Not really much chasing going on with miners this AM. That lends credence to SB's "drifting higher" theory.
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 9:19:18 GMT -5
Nice to see you here MoonCow! This breakout by gold was pretty important IMO. 1333.5 should now be support. Just bookmarked twitter/platypusfoot, love the name!
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 9:25:13 GMT -5
Simonsays, a while ago you mentioned that there had been a turn-over of leadership in the miners, which is what I wanted to see for the bear to end. So I need to try to get educated on the new leaders. Could you suggest, say, 5-6 names I should start with? Also, since I gather you watch a lot of juniors, do you find that GDXJ sometimes gets disconnected from the actual group it is supposed to track?
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Post by sb on Jul 10, 2014 10:02:24 GMT -5
I suppose I meant it will look like a drift higher over time, but the moves will still be short and sharp when they occur. Then the sideways action for awhile, followed by another spurt It keeps short term people trying to time the next jump, while often missing it, only to look for the next one. If it's a bull, I want to just stay long b/c can't afford to miss the best days. Look how many people at BBT hopping on today, while a good number of miners were up 7% yesterday. If they are long term holders then buying today is fine, but for timers it's a terrible move setting them up for disappointment more often than not. They can always try to anticipate the next jump, but if they haven't caught them so far I don't understand why they'll do better in the future.
Just my thoughts and how I'm going to do it. We've been in a secular bull, and now looks like we've converted to a cyclical bull as well. One good thing about a long term perspective is we don't have to dodge every little decline, and worse, miss the big days where most of the net moves are made....the rest is just meandering or drift, IMO.
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Post by daniel on Jul 10, 2014 10:04:42 GMT -5
Looks like it is up to MoonCow to start a thread. Who woulda thunk it would come to this? Welcome MoonCow.... glad you made it to the party!
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Post by sb on Jul 10, 2014 10:19:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and welcome to Silverymoon, good to see you here!
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 10:21:24 GMT -5
Looks like it is up to MoonCow to start a thread. Who woulda thunk it would come to this? Welcome MoonCow.... glad you made it to the party! Hi daniel, good to see you. Now if Cedric gets here, then it *will* be a party, lol. Poor guy, nobody should be restricted by the smiley-police. I'm trying to be patient here, waiting to see if /gc will make an attempt at platy's support level while I'm hiding behind the sofa, waiting to pounce.
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 10:23:19 GMT -5
Simonsays, a while ago you mentioned that there had been a turn-over of leadership in the miners, which is what I wanted to see for the bear to end. So I need to try to get educated on the new leaders. Could you suggest, say, 5-6 names I should start with? Also, since I gather you watch a lot of juniors, do you find that GDXJ sometimes gets disconnected from the actual group it is supposed to track? On Tuesday, I posted the strongest names that I have been tracking. Here it is. Some of these are new names to me but some are old names that are were beaten down and have now come back with a vengeance. My primary reason for highlighting these is that I have a rule that I can only trade stocks in an uptrend, no exceptions. Further, I will only trade on the timeframe for which the uptrend exists. So if the uptrend is just started, then it might be only on the hourly timeframe that I would trade it. That means that I set my stops based of the hourly chart. As the trend strengthens, I can then trade on longer timeframes. Anyway, these were the first stocks I found that had nice daily charts. Now that it appears that we are shifting back into bull mode, I am looking to build a core in addition to still "trading" some stocks and ETFs. The core are stocks that I will hold and not really trade in an out of (unless the bear resumes), so they must have great fundamentals. These are usually on the smaller side because these have more upside. Some are still explorers, some are small producers. Here's a few: ProducersPrimero (an absolute rock, small producer who bought Brigus and are proving out some hi grade resources) Argonaut (been around a while but very solid) B2Gold (these guys are spread out in 3rd world countries but know exactly what they are doing because they have done it before) Timmins Gold (seldom talked about but they are solid) Avino Silver (tiny but looking to grow, they do not over extend themselves) Sandstorm - small but well cashed up royalty streamer I'm also in the process of researching Rio Alto, New Gold, and a few others because I've heard they are solid. Here's some of the late stage explorers that I like: Midas (huge resource in Colorado, FNV has a royalty with them) Midway (several plays in Nevada, some near production, some exploration) Premier (monster resources in several locations and will likely get bought imo) Lydian (decent low cost resource in Armenia - I think they will also get bought) Almaden (nice resource in Mexico) Balmoral (Monster play being proven out in Ontario (base metals too) Bear Creek (massive silver play in Peru - way undervalued due to political risk, which appears to be going away) Here's a couple of tiny tiny specs that I like: Moneta Porcupine - getting no love because they will likely need to finance soon but I they have a decent PEA and have room to grow Terraco Gold - has royalties on a Midway/Barrick joint venture being fast tracked in Nevada. Also has a land package in Nevada next to the JV and a small resource in Idaho. These are just a few that I am familiar with and obviously there are a lot more that are solid too. You must do your DD on every name and be aware that I have a fairly hi risk profile. With respect to GDXJ, I only ever trade ZJG, which is the Canadian version. I find that they do get disconnected from time to time but in theory they are supposed to track their respective basket, which I believe they do. Hope this helps!
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 10:23:40 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and welcome to Silverymoon, good to see you here! Hi sb, well I can see *you* ain't taking orders from no smiley police, that's fer sure! (glad you went for a yellow smiley rather than a Yellen frown)
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 10:31:06 GMT -5
Thanks a lot simonsays, now I've got something to work with... I never risk too much on a single name, so no need to worry on that score. I just like to get comfortable with some names to trade, and if they have decent fundamentals it makes it easier to hold ... and it seemed weird to go back to the same dozen names I was trading 3 years ago. However I've been trading AG the whole time, fairly easy to trade, but you couldn't accuse them of being a leader!
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 10:48:07 GMT -5
Silvery, I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that I also plan to research the names that I am not familiar with in that list of leaders, to see if they are worth holding longer term. I figure if they've taken off already, something good must be happening. Oceana, Lakeshore, and Rox are examples.
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 11:04:25 GMT -5
Silvery, I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that I also plan to research the names that I am not familiar with in that list of leaders, to see if they are worth holding longer term. I figure if they've taken off already, something good must be happening. Oceana, Lakeshore, and Rox are examples. Speaking of taking off, old EXK has doubled off the lows, any views there?
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 11:06:31 GMT -5
Silvery, I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that I also plan to research the names that I am not familiar with in that list of leaders, to see if they are worth holding longer term. I figure if they've taken off already, something good must be happening. Oceana, Lakeshore, and Rox are examples. Speaking of taking off, old EXK has doubled off the lows, any views there? I've heard from others that it is solid, but I have never researched it myself. SB might know a thing or two about it.
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Post by sb on Jul 10, 2014 11:18:57 GMT -5
I have EXK, but just based on market cap, volatility and the fact it's actively traded and already producing. Bradford Cooke CEO seems to do a decent job of communicating with the public. I try to not fall in love with any of my holdings, they are just part of a basket and that's the extent of it. On any day, some do better than others, like MUX for example is under-performing today (actually down), but was up 7% yesterday so I don't worry about individual performance in the short term. If one looked yesterday they might assume MUX was the best to buy, only to be disappointed today with it down in strong group, but the net effect is it's still up 7% or so in two days and much more than that over several months.
Unless one steps on a land mine or goes all in on one name, the group will trade together over time. In a basket over 8 names, one will stink terribly, one will get bought out at a premium more than you would think it's worth (bonus) and the other 6 will do close to what you'd expect from the group. It all smooths out over time.
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Post by sb on Jul 10, 2014 11:56:31 GMT -5
Feels like we're getting a wee bit frothy here short term, not b/c prices going up, but proclamations such as this: thedailygold.com/gold-silver-stocks-old-turkey-time/Old Turkey Time! Easier said than done, and the excitement in the title is almost as if Old Turkey's son't get tested, which is never the case. I'll sit tight with what I have, and buy a good sized dip when and if it comes.
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Post by pkf on Jul 10, 2014 12:05:15 GMT -5
A little something outside the PM's which I am keeping an eye on. UURAF, a rare earth's play, has been on my watch list for a couple of years now. I have watched patiently and I believe the weekly chart is now "extremely interesting". Upside potential is huge and the fundamentals ( for a penny stock that is!) can support an upside explosion. I doubt anything happens immediately and I would not be surprised if its still a dog a year down the line but I will be looking to take a speculative position with an initial upside above $1
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 12:13:19 GMT -5
Feels like we're getting a wee bit frothy here short term, not b/c prices going up, but proclamations such as this: thedailygold.com/gold-silver-stocks-old-turkey-time/Old Turkey Time! Easier said than done, and the excitement in the title is almost as if Old Turkey's son't get tested, which is never the case. I'll sit tight with what I have, and buy a good sized dip when and if it comes. When JRB is really confident of something, it usually means the opposite happens. Been that way for a while now.
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Post by simonsays on Jul 10, 2014 12:13:50 GMT -5
A little something outside the PM's which I am keeping an eye on. UURAF, a rare earth's play, has been on my watch list for a couple of years now. I have watched patiently and I believe the weekly chart is now "extremely interesting". Upside potential is huge and the fundamentals ( for a penny stock that is!) can support an upside explosion. I doubt anything happens immediately and I would not be surprised if its still a dog a year down the line but I will be looking to take a speculative position with an initial upside above $1 Thanks for the info. I will check it out.
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Post by pkf on Jul 10, 2014 12:21:51 GMT -5
Feels like we're getting a wee bit frothy here short term, not b/c prices going up, but proclamations such as this: thedailygold.com/gold-silver-stocks-old-turkey-time/Old Turkey Time! Easier said than done, and the excitement in the title is almost as if Old Turkey's son't get tested, which is never the case. I'll sit tight with what I have, and buy a good sized dip when and if it comes. Today's highs (or whereabouts) are the ideal place for a "pause and refresh" scenario to unfold as the senior indexes came close to the March highs. The bears will view the correction (if we get one) a failure but given the state of most of the charts I look at, i will wager that such a pullback will be nothing but a pause to refuel the engines and provide what is necessary to push above KEY RESISTANCE on the next leg higher. Of course conventional analysis seems to have disappeared across all assets as markets go to extremes before they reverse. Stay tuned!
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Post by sb on Jul 10, 2014 14:13:31 GMT -5
Here comes the whippin'?!
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Post by pkf on Jul 10, 2014 14:30:34 GMT -5
If we close near the lows today and open lower tomorrow, its likely by days end the PMs could be closing near the highs of the day and recouping most of today's loses. This will enable the weekly charts to remain constructive/bullish by tomorrow's close. A very weak day tomorrow on the other hand is not good, at least for the short term. Bottom line, putting aside the daily wiggles, i am not concerned and continue to focus on the excellent chart patterns of many (NOT ALL) PM stocks
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Post by MoonCow on Jul 10, 2014 14:34:28 GMT -5
gapology : large & obvious gap in GDX $24.78. Tiny not-so obvious gap in GDXJ $37.54 (June 11). Also some obvious gaps in GLD and SLV. Of course they don't matter unless they do. (Q. How's that for advice? A. good enough for a newsletter, heh heh). Historically they do seem to fill, all we need to know is when ... doh!
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Post by pkf on Jul 10, 2014 14:40:22 GMT -5
gapology : large & obvious gap in GDX $24.78. Tiny not-so obvious gap in GDXJ $37.54 (June 11). Also some obvious gaps in GLD and SLV. Of course they don't matter unless they do. (Q. How's that for advice? A. good enough for a newsletter, heh heh). Historically they do seem to fill, all we need to know is when ... doh! IMO, waiting for a gap to fill is a wrong approach to getting into a market unless of course the entire portfolio strategy is based off of such a methodology. I do agree that the vast majority of gaps do indeed get filled but when they do not, they really DO NOT!. The 24.78 gap on the GDX corresponds to 93/94 on the XAU, a level which can indeed be seen again in a normal pullback, and if we do get there and the landscape has not changed, I will be aggressively adding to favorite longs in preparation for the real LIFT-OFF!
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Post by daniel on Jul 10, 2014 14:40:34 GMT -5
Looks like miners leading the overdue correction into the DCL… looks normal to me… Good buying opportunity coming early next week!!
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