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Post by simonsays on Aug 5, 2014 8:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 8:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 8:47:35 GMT -5
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Post by simonsays on Aug 5, 2014 9:24:02 GMT -5
Ole SB, you "must" be nibbling this AM.?..?
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Post by simonsays on Aug 5, 2014 9:33:29 GMT -5
"King Dollar". F*#k that is annoying.
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Post by brad949 on Aug 5, 2014 9:41:44 GMT -5
"King Dollar". F*#k that is annoying. About as annoying as "......... is a rocket!"
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 9:50:32 GMT -5
No fills yet, but did place a few buy limit orders to trigger when GDX gets below $25.50 I'll put a few more in to trigger at $25. I'm fine with all this "action" which is a non-event in my time frame. I think people are looking to hard into every little wiggle, then projecting the trend to continue (lower or higher), when it's not even a trend. Those that bought strength have done nothing but sell the wiggle down two days later, the old "chasers will get punished" routine.
I have no idea where gold is going tomorrow and it's not relevant for my hold time, but if any "trend" could be called, it would be for gold and miners to reverse and go higher yet again over the next few days. We've done nothing but go sideways if one steps back before looking at the charts, so even the short term people should be buying the little dips and selling the little rallies, not what we've been seeing in the blogosphere.
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 9:54:51 GMT -5
Now it looks like I might not get the fills today, but will leave the orders in. Would love to see the 50 MA get visited on GDX. For all the fear and bear calls I'm reading on other sites, it's strange b/c my accounts are actually slightly positive on the day. I'm thinking it's not going to get as bad as the bears think, OR as good as the bulls project in the short run at least. All just hunches on my part.
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Post by platy on Aug 5, 2014 10:41:20 GMT -5
Well we got the silver drop but gold and gdx still trying to hang on.
Starting to think 8th low, 14th high, 29th major low. Let's see how it looks on Friday.
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 10:47:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to get rich quick, kind of like Rick Rule has been hinting at.
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 10:47:57 GMT -5
King Dollar, LMAO! Just caught that one.
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 11:03:53 GMT -5
I'm not a cycles guy, but from what I've seen they have been having tough go of it lately. It seems they keep having questions and potential re-phasing, making them less useful. All tools go through varying degrees of effectiveness and cycles analysis appears to be at a low point.
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Post by simonsays on Aug 5, 2014 11:30:19 GMT -5
I'm not a cycles guy, but from what I've seen they have been having tough go of it lately. It seems they keep having questions and potential re-phasing, making them less useful. All tools go through varying degrees of effectiveness and cycles analysis appears to be at a low point. That's one part of the problem. The other part is that for some reason, people insist on trading miners off of gold's cycle, which is like trading energy stocks by only watching the price of oil. It seems much simpler to watch the price (chart) of your asset and buy at support when it is oversold and sell when it is overbought or at resistance. Plus, if you don't know the daily cycle count, I doubt you are going to be able to know where things are headed over the longer term with the same method. Cycle's are much more effective (imo) in strong established trends, but even then the chart can provide the highs and lows without counting days and then making predictions weeks ahead of time. Way to much time dedicated to predicting things and not nearly enough managing scenarios and outcomes, imo. Edit: If I was relying exclusively on cycles as my framework, I would not be anywhere near the PM sector. Too many better behaving assets out there.
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 12:51:19 GMT -5
I agree about gold vs miners, just trade the vehicle your watching. This can't be any more evident than watching the dollar index to predict gold! Sure seems like individual names should be getting smashed, if all the buzz from the gold bears is correct. I see many miners who charts refuse to break down thus far. Lots look like FSM: stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=FSM&p=D&yr=0&mn=8&dy=0&id=p87206264736Don't get me wrong, they have room to fall if they choose to, but I don't see what the fuss is about. And if they do pullback they look like excellent buys, hardly the definition of a bear even for a trader's short term hold times.
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Post by pkf on Aug 5, 2014 13:03:50 GMT -5
Last week I mentioned the 231.43 level on the HUI Index and we broke this marginally today. It is not uncommon to rally and create a fake/trap type of scenario but I believe the break below this level should bring about a "final" decline (what remains is how this decline unfolds) that may very well test the low 200's. Based on what i am seeing "now" however, this test will be successful and will act as a most bullish springboard that will really push the miners much, much higher. If we don't make it all the way down there, the current correction has now created the most recent highs (early July highs) as points that if broken should also act a legitimate breakout. I know it's popular to be making predictions but as we've seen repeatedly over the last couple of years, such predictions have been a bunch of malarkey. In my book, miners made a major low in December, rallied hard into March, and for all intents and purposes we are still correcting/consolidating the early year run-up, albeit after having successfully retested in May/June. This move down currently should prove to be the final re-test and this is the one I am getting ready to pick apart my favorite miners. (XAU 88/93 should be it on the downside)
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Post by sb on Aug 5, 2014 13:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by platy on Aug 5, 2014 14:28:27 GMT -5
I'm not an EW expert but I think a little more lower would complete 5 down on SPX. Also I have strong support at around 1912-1913. Would also possibly be set up for positive divergence.
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Post by daniel on Aug 5, 2014 16:01:41 GMT -5
Last week I mentioned the 231.43 level on the HUI Index and we broke this marginally today. It is not uncommon to rally and create a fake/trap type of scenario but I believe the break below this level should bring about a "final" decline (what remains is how this decline unfolds) that may very well test the low 200's. Based on what i am seeing "now" however, this test will be successful and will act as a most bullish springboard that will really push the miners much, much higher. If we don't make it all the way down there, the current correction has now created the most recent highs (early July highs) as points that if broken should also act a legitimate breakout. I know it's popular to be making predictions but as we've seen repeatedly over the last couple of years, such predictions have been a bunch of malarkey. In my book, miners made a major low in December, rallied hard into March, and for all intents and purposes we are still correcting/consolidating the early year run-up, albeit after having successfully retested in May/June. This move down currently should prove to be the final re-test and this is the one I am getting ready to pick apart my favorite miners. (XAU 88/93 should be it on the downside) and your miner list consists of??? I currently am following Casey's Int. Speculator list with a few mire explorer/juniors!!
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Post by pkf on Aug 5, 2014 17:01:44 GMT -5
Last week I mentioned the 231.43 level on the HUI Index and we broke this marginally today. It is not uncommon to rally and create a fake/trap type of scenario but I believe the break below this level should bring about a "final" decline (what remains is how this decline unfolds) that may very well test the low 200's. Based on what i am seeing "now" however, this test will be successful and will act as a most bullish springboard that will really push the miners much, much higher. If we don't make it all the way down there, the current correction has now created the most recent highs (early July highs) as points that if broken should also act a legitimate breakout. I know it's popular to be making predictions but as we've seen repeatedly over the last couple of years, such predictions have been a bunch of malarkey. In my book, miners made a major low in December, rallied hard into March, and for all intents and purposes we are still correcting/consolidating the early year run-up, albeit after having successfully retested in May/June. This move down currently should prove to be the final re-test and this is the one I am getting ready to pick apart my favorite miners. (XAU 88/93 should be it on the downside) and your miner list consists of??? I currently am following Casey's Int. Speculator list with a few mire explorer/juniors!! The list Simonsays has highlighted here is a good one IMO. Of course there are plenty more but all one really needs is a group of 8-10 and should be okay. Among the biggies however, there aren't many that shine, maybe GG as it appears to be the "best" form the "worst". I continue to like FNV, I have owned it for quite a while and I am now looking at RGLD as well for a place to enter. Rio Alto (RIOM or RIO.to) is a great value play and should be looked at.
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Post by pkf on Aug 5, 2014 17:12:38 GMT -5
I realize there are some respectable analysts/bloggers/advisers out there who are viewing the current move in miners as a bear trap, and although the possibility can never be discounted, I am of the opinion that if indeed that were to be the expected outcome, we would be seeing stocks such as FNV sporting bearish patterns. Granted, the ETFs are made up of ABX, NEM, GG et al. and these stocks are far from having healthy patterns and thus explains why the bear market argument remains intact. One way or the other, over the next 2-6 weeks we will have a definite resolution. The "smart" money continues to play the FNV's of the world while awaiting a resolution on the indexes. Once the charts become clearer, do not be surprised to see the leadership baton passed on to the more known names that make up the senior miner indices. All of this of course means diddly for gold prices as crazy as this may sound. Right now gold is moving on its own and has not shown anything bullishly impulsive to get excited about. Its best to wait there although if the expected resolution is "wildly bullish" on the miners, dont think for a moment gold will stay behind. IT will/may lag, but participate it will
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Post by brad949 on Aug 5, 2014 19:49:14 GMT -5
I'm not an EW expert but I think a little more lower would complete 5 down on SPX. Also I have strong support at around 1912-1913. Would also possibly be set up for positive divergence. Jeff Clark, the only person at Stansberry worth listening to IMHO, had a pretty strong argument earlier today for an imminent bounce in stocks. On the other hand, my Oct VIX ($14) calls were up 25% today on a 12% increase in the VIX, hitting the high for the day on the final trade. So there's a lot of nervousness out there right now. I sold 2/3 of my position at today's high for a small profit after being severely underwater for the last month. I also own the December calls and hoping for an opportunity to add more on the final rally of this Bull.
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Post by platy on Aug 5, 2014 22:32:30 GMT -5
Yeah I like Jeff Clark a lot!
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